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Stefan
2014-03-09 18:29:07 UTC
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Hi there,

my system is a Falcon with 060 CPU, 14 MB ST RAM, 512 MB TT RAM.
Ethernec and IDE Hard Disk.

I did transfer all the packages and files to my HD but i'm unable to
mount the floppies as root.

Is it possible to avoid the floppies and load the files from HD?

Greetings,
Stefan
Stefan Niestegge
2014-03-09 21:44:47 UTC
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Post by Stefan
Hi there,
my system is a Falcon with 060 CPU, 14 MB ST RAM, 512 MB TT RAM.
Ethernec and IDE Hard Disk.
I did transfer all the packages and files to my HD but i'm unable to
mount the floppies as root.
Is it possible to avoid the floppies and load the files from HD?
Greetings,
Stefan
There are six atari floppy images to be found in the
atari/installation/floppies subdirectory of the NetBSD 6.1.2 distribu-
tion.
This directory does not exist any more. I guess the directory
atari/installation/miniroot contains what i need.
Post by Stefan
The floppies meant for 720 KB disks are named miniroot.fs.1 and
miniroot.fs.
I can find sysinst.fs.gz and prepare.fs.gz
is it correct to write these two to 720k disks using "rawrite.ttp"?


When i boot the kernel, it ask me for root device. I tried md0a and fd0a
but nothing worked.
The kernel also asks for dump device and filesystem - the installation
notes say nothing about it. Are the defaults safe to use?

Anyway, floppies are incredibly unreliable these days. I have a CF card
on the IDE bus, Netbsd kernel sees this as wd1, where my target HD is wd0.

Isn't there an image i can dd to that CF disk on a pc, so i can mount it
as root on the Atari?

Greetings,
Stefan
Alexander Bochmann
2014-03-09 23:20:43 UTC
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Post by Stefan Niestegge
Post by Stefan
There are six atari floppy images to be found in the
atari/installation/floppies subdirectory of the NetBSD 6.1.2 distribu-
tion.
This directory does not exist any more. I guess the directory
atari/installation/miniroot contains what i need.
It's been quite some time since I installed NetBSD from scratch on my
Atari TT the last time, but I don't remember using installation disks...

I think I had a harddisk prepared with three partitions, one small GEMDOS
to hold the tools and installation sets, one for NetBSD, and another smaller
one for swap. Even though I have enough RAM, I used the file2swp method
to copy sysinst.fs to the swap partition - in the install docs, that part
starts from:
http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.3/atari/INSTALL.html#Booting%20the%20installer%20on%20new%20systems

...and then using the swap partition with sysinst.fs as root device.
Post by Stefan Niestegge
When i boot the kernel, it ask me for root device. I tried md0a and fd0a
but nothing worked.
That should work too - although from the docs, with the 1.44MB sysinst image,
you'll have to use "md2a" - guess there is some magic to automatically load the
installer floppy image into a matching RAM disk depending on the device name?

Did the kernel say anything about detecting your floppy drive? You should be
Post by Stefan Niestegge
fdc0 at mainbus0
fd0 at fdc0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
(That's copied from an old dmesg, but I don't think the message has changed much.)
Post by Stefan Niestegge
The kernel also asks for dump device and filesystem - the
installation notes say nothing about it. Are the defaults safe to
use?
Yes.

Alex.
Stefan Niestegge
2014-03-10 06:05:46 UTC
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Thanks for the reply, Alex
Post by Alexander Bochmann
Post by Stefan Niestegge
Post by Stefan
There are six atari floppy images to be found in the
atari/installation/floppies subdirectory of the NetBSD 6.1.2 distribu-
tion.
This directory does not exist any more. I guess the directory
atari/installation/miniroot contains what i need.
It's been quite some time since I installed NetBSD from scratch on my
Atari TT the last time, but I don't remember using installation disks...
I think I had a harddisk prepared with three partitions, one small GEMDOS
to hold the tools and installation sets, one for NetBSD, and another smaller
one for swap. Even though I have enough RAM, I used the file2swp method
to copy sysinst.fs to the swap partition - in the install docs, that part
http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.3/atari/INSTALL.html#Booting%20the%20installer%20on%20new%20systems
...and then using the swap partition with sysinst.fs as root device.
I am going to try this, then.
Post by Alexander Bochmann
Post by Stefan Niestegge
When i boot the kernel, it ask me for root device. I tried md0a and fd0a
but nothing worked.
That should work too - although from the docs, with the 1.44MB sysinst image,
you'll have to use "md2a" - guess there is some magic to automatically load the
installer floppy image into a matching RAM disk depending on the device name?
I get a floppydrive timeout or a recalibration error displayed.
i read in the mailinglist that the md2a approach is broken, and fd0a
should be used instead. There was a patch suggested, too
Post by Alexander Bochmann
Did the kernel say anything about detecting your floppy drive? You should be
Post by Stefan Niestegge
fdc0 at mainbus0
fd0 at fdc0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
(That's copied from an old dmesg, but I don't think the message has changed much.)
Yes, i get these info, too.


Thanks so far,
Stefan
Stefan Niestegge
2014-03-11 06:10:20 UTC
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Okay, i got the installer started and did a default quickinstall to the
CF card. My HD is partitioned using HD Driver, which seems to do
extended partitions different than AHDI.

Greetings,
Stefan
Post by Stefan Niestegge
Thanks for the reply, Alex
Post by Stefan
Post by Stefan Niestegge
Post by Stefan
There are six atari floppy images to be found in the
atari/installation/floppies subdirectory of the NetBSD 6.1.2
distribu-
Post by Stefan Niestegge
Post by Stefan
tion.
This directory does not exist any more. I guess the directory
atari/installation/miniroot contains what i need.
It's been quite some time since I installed NetBSD from scratch on my
Atari TT the last time, but I don't remember using installation disks...
I think I had a harddisk prepared with three partitions, one small GEMDOS
to hold the tools and installation sets, one for NetBSD, and another smaller
one for swap. Even though I have enough RAM, I used the file2swp method
to copy sysinst.fs to the swap partition - in the install docs, that part
http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.3/atari/INSTALL.html#Booting%20the%20installer%20on%20new%20systems
...and then using the swap partition with sysinst.fs as root device.
I am going to try this, then.
Post by Stefan
Post by Stefan Niestegge
When i boot the kernel, it ask me for root device. I tried md0a
and fd0a
Post by Stefan Niestegge
but nothing worked.
That should work too - although from the docs, with the 1.44MB sysinst image,
you'll have to use "md2a" - guess there is some magic to automatically load the
installer floppy image into a matching RAM disk depending on the device name?
I get a floppydrive timeout or a recalibration error displayed.
i read in the mailinglist that the md2a approach is broken, and fd0a
should be used instead. There was a patch suggested, too
Post by Stefan
Did the kernel say anything about detecting your floppy drive? You should be
Post by Stefan Niestegge
fdc0 at mainbus0
fd0 at fdc0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
(That's copied from an old dmesg, but I don't think the message has changed much.)
Yes, i get these info, too.
Thanks so far,
Stefan
Stefan Niestegge
2014-03-13 13:16:06 UTC
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Hi again,

i can now install the NetBSD system almost to my needs, but it fails
to boot .

During install (via ftp) i see that only /binary/sets/kern-ATARITT.tgz
is fetched.
shouldn't i see kern-FALCON.tgz downloaded?

How do i change the kernel after the installation finished?
I can boot the new system just like before, with "loadbsd.ttp -b netbsd"
and then pointing to my harddisk wd1a, i guess?

And then i need to install nano for having an editor i can work with
(vi isn't mine)...

Greetings,
Stefan
Post by Stefan Niestegge
Okay, i got the installer started and did a default quickinstall to the
CF card. My HD is partitioned using HD Driver, which seems to do
extended partitions different than AHDI.
Greetings,
Stefan
Post by Stefan Niestegge
Thanks for the reply, Alex
Post by Stefan
Post by Stefan Niestegge
Post by Stefan
There are six atari floppy images to be found in the
atari/installation/floppies subdirectory of the NetBSD 6.1.2
distribu-
Post by Stefan Niestegge
Post by Stefan
tion.
This directory does not exist any more. I guess the directory
atari/installation/miniroot contains what i need.
It's been quite some time since I installed NetBSD from scratch on my
Atari TT the last time, but I don't remember using installation disks...
I think I had a harddisk prepared with three partitions, one small GEMDOS
to hold the tools and installation sets, one for NetBSD, and another smaller
one for swap. Even though I have enough RAM, I used the file2swp method
to copy sysinst.fs to the swap partition - in the install docs, that part
http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.3/atari/INSTALL.html#Booting%20the%20installer%20on%20new%20systems
...and then using the swap partition with sysinst.fs as root device.
I am going to try this, then.
Post by Stefan
Post by Stefan Niestegge
When i boot the kernel, it ask me for root device. I tried md0a
and fd0a
Post by Stefan Niestegge
but nothing worked.
That should work too - although from the docs, with the 1.44MB sysinst image,
you'll have to use "md2a" - guess there is some magic to automatically load the
installer floppy image into a matching RAM disk depending on the device name?
I get a floppydrive timeout or a recalibration error displayed.
i read in the mailinglist that the md2a approach is broken, and fd0a
should be used instead. There was a patch suggested, too
Post by Stefan
Did the kernel say anything about detecting your floppy drive? You should be
Post by Stefan Niestegge
fdc0 at mainbus0
fd0 at fdc0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
(That's copied from an old dmesg, but I don't think the message has changed much.)
Yes, i get these info, too.
Thanks so far,
Stefan
Stefan Niestegge
2014-03-13 17:58:14 UTC
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Post by Stefan Niestegge
Hi again,
During install (via ftp) i see that only /binary/sets/kern-ATARITT.tgz
is fetched.
shouldn't i see kern-FALCON.tgz downloaded?
How do i change the kernel after the installation finished?
Ah yes. I started the sysinst again, and choosed the Falcon kernel
manually. Got a clean reboot now.
Post by Stefan Niestegge
And then i need to install nano for having an editor i can work with
(vi isn't mine)...
this task next.
Stefan Niestegge
2014-03-15 17:47:35 UTC
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Post by Stefan Niestegge
And then i need to install nano for having an editor i can work with
(vi isn't mine)...
i downloaded the nano binary package from the AMIGA directory, since the
ATARI binary package directory was empty.

Seems to work okay, i was able to modify some config files now.

Then i used pkgsrc to make "links". i recognized that a binary
package was saved, too.
Should i upload these binary packages i compiled somewhere?

Greetings,
Stefan
Izumi Tsutsui
2014-03-18 14:42:00 UTC
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Post by Stefan Niestegge
i downloaded the nano binary package from the AMIGA directory, since the
ATARI binary package directory was empty.
Seems to work okay, i was able to modify some config files now.
Then i used pkgsrc to make "links". i recognized that a binary
package was saved, too.
Should i upload these binary packages i compiled somewhere?
Uploaded binaries (for amiga) can be used on all NetBSD/m68k ports,
so it's rather worth to install and use various binaries you need.

"Twitter client on m68k machines" is a major demonstration
on Open Source Conference in Japan:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-x68k/2013/10/18/msg000038.html

Tier II ports of NetBSD don't have so much news
(there is no new hardware which should be supported)
but it's worth to just continue to use them and report
various results.

- post your dmesg (which show what hardwareand devices are actually working)
to mailing list and dmesgd:
http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&do=home

- posting youtube video might also be interensting


- try the latest -current kernel in daily build and
check if there is any breakage
http://releng.netbsd.org/cgi-bin/builds.cgi
http://www.netbsd.org/docs/current/index.html
(NetBSD provides good binary compatibility so old userland binaries
should still work with a newer kernel)

- demonstrate your favorite machines in various events
http://movapic.com/pic/201104161105244da8f96468241

etc.

BTW, here is dmesg of my TT030 running NetBSD/atari 6.1.3:
---
Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
The NetBSD Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.

NetBSD 6.1.3 (ATARITT030) #7: Tue Feb 18 22:55:46 JST 2014
***@mirage:/r/work/netbsd-6/src/sys/arch/atari/compile/ATARITT030
Atari TT (m68030 CPU/MMU mc68882 FPU)
total memory = 69632 KB
avail memory = 65392 KB
timecounter: Timecounters tick every 15.625 msec
mainbus0 (root)
clock0 at mainbus0: system hz 64 timer-A divisor 200/192
timecounter: Timecounter "clock" frequency 12288 Hz quality 100
grfbus0 at mainbus0
grfcc0 at grfbus0: width 640 height 400 monochrome
ite0 at grfcc0: 25x80 repeat at (30/100)s next at (10/100)s has keyboard
grfcc1 at grfbus0: width 640 height 400 monochrome
ite1 at grfcc1: 25x80 repeat at (30/100)s next at (10/100)s
grfcc2 at grfbus0: width 640 height 400 monochrome
ite2 at grfcc2: 25x80 repeat at (30/100)s next at (10/100)s
kbd0 at mainbus0
fdc0 at mainbus0
fd0 at fdc0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
ser0 at mainbus0: modem1 on 68901 MFP1 USART
zs0 at mainbus0: serial2 on channel a and modem2 on channel b
ncrscsi0 at mainbus0
scsibus0 at ncrscsi0 channel 0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target
nvr0 at mainbus0
lp0 at mainbus0
ne0 at mainbus0: EtherNEC on Atari ROM cartridge slot
ne0: NE2000 (RTL8019) Ethernet (8-bit)
ne0: Ethernet address 52:54:4c:09:fb:05
ne0: 10base2, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, auto, default [0x00 0x30] auto
ne0: using 64 Hz polling
avmebus0 at mainbus0
vme0 at avmebus0
leprobe: cannot map memory-area
we0 at vme0 port 0xfe200280-0xfe20029f iomem 0xfe0d0000-0xfe0d3fff irq 4
we0: SMC8216 with SMC_TT VME-ISA bridge Ethernet (16-bit)
we0: Ethernet address 00:00:c0:3f:87:ed
timecounter: Timecounter "clockinterrupt" frequency 64 Hz quality 0
scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
probe(ncrscsi0:0:0:0): Does not support linked commands
sd0 at scsibus0 target 0 lun 0: <Logitec, LHD-U32H/E, 200S> disk fixed
sd0: 30533 MB, 30533 cyl, 16 head, 128 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 62533296 sectors
4 views configured
1 mouse configured
root on sd0a dumps on sd0b
root file system type: ffs
---

Have fun,

---
Izumi Tsutsui
Stefan Niestegge
2014-03-18 20:31:58 UTC
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Hi Izumi, nice to read you!

Thanks a lot for your EtherNEC network driver.
I installed over ftp, it works like a charm!

NetBSD runs a lot better (performnce wise) than debian-68k at the
moment. I do have some issues with pkgsrc / pgk_add i need to sort out,
and i can't get any X11 to run so far.

is it possible to have colored console?

here is my dmesg output:

--------------------------
NetBSD 6.1.2 (FALCON)
Atari Falcon (68060 rev.6 CPU/MMU/FPU)
total memory = 524 MB
avail memory = 515 MB
timecounter: Timecounters tick every 15.625 msec
mainbus0 (root)
clock0 at mainbus0: system hz 64 timer-A divisor 200/192
timecounter: Timecounter "clock" frequency 12288 Hz quality 100
grfbus0 at mainbus0
grfcc0 at grfbus0: width 640 height 400 monochrome
ite0 at grfcc0: 25x80 repeat at (30/100)s next at (10/100)s has keyboard
grfcc1 at grfbus0: width 640 height 400 monochrome
ite1 at grfcc1: 25x80 repeat at (30/100)s next at (10/100)s
grfcc2 at grfbus0: width 640 height 400 monochrome
ite2 at grfcc2: 25x80 repeat at (30/100)s next at (10/100)s
kbd0 at mainbus0
fdc0 at mainbus0
fd0 at fdc0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
ser0 at mainbus0: modem1 on 68901 MFP1 USART
zs0 at mainbus0: serial2 on channel a and modem2 on channel b
ncrscsi0 at mainbus0
scsibus0 at ncrscsi0 channel 0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target
nvr0 at mainbus0
lp0 at mainbus0
wdc0 at mainbus0
atabus0 at wdc0 channel 0
ne0 at mainbus0: EtherNEC on Atari ROM cartridge slot
ne0: NE2000 (RTL8019) Ethernet (8-bit)
ne0: Ethernet address 00:7a:09:03:34:25
ne0: 10base2, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, auto, default [0x00 0x50] auto
ne0: using 64 Hz polling
timecounter: Timecounter "clockinterrupt" frequency 64 Hz quality 0
scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
wd0 at atabus0 drive 0
wd0: <WDC WD800BEVE-00UYT0>
wd0: drive supports 16-sector PIO transfers, LBA48 addressing
wd0: 76319 MB, 155061 cyl, 16 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 156301488
sectors
wd0: drive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 5 (Ultra/100)
4 views configured
1 mouse configured
root on wd0a dumps on wd0b
root file system type: ffs

------------------------------------------------------
Post by Izumi Tsutsui
Post by Stefan Niestegge
i downloaded the nano binary package from the AMIGA directory, since the
ATARI binary package directory was empty.
Seems to work okay, i was able to modify some config files now.
Then i used pkgsrc to make "links". i recognized that a binary
package was saved, too.
Should i upload these binary packages i compiled somewhere?
Uploaded binaries (for amiga) can be used on all NetBSD/m68k ports,
so it's rather worth to install and use various binaries you need.
"Twitter client on m68k machines" is a major demonstration
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-x68k/2013/10/18/msg000038.html
Tier II ports of NetBSD don't have so much news
(there is no new hardware which should be supported)
but it's worth to just continue to use them and report
various results.
- post your dmesg (which show what hardwareand devices are actually working)
http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&do=home
- posting youtube video might also be interensting
http://youtu.be/R_EdT8QWAkQ
- try the latest -current kernel in daily build and
check if there is any breakage
http://releng.netbsd.org/cgi-bin/builds.cgi
http://www.netbsd.org/docs/current/index.html
(NetBSD provides good binary compatibility so old userland binaries
should still work with a newer kernel)
- demonstrate your favorite machines in various events
http://movapic.com/pic/201104161105244da8f96468241
etc.
---
Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
The NetBSD Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
NetBSD 6.1.3 (ATARITT030) #7: Tue Feb 18 22:55:46 JST 2014
Atari TT (m68030 CPU/MMU mc68882 FPU)
total memory = 69632 KB
avail memory = 65392 KB
timecounter: Timecounters tick every 15.625 msec
mainbus0 (root)
clock0 at mainbus0: system hz 64 timer-A divisor 200/192
timecounter: Timecounter "clock" frequency 12288 Hz quality 100
grfbus0 at mainbus0
grfcc0 at grfbus0: width 640 height 400 monochrome
ite0 at grfcc0: 25x80 repeat at (30/100)s next at (10/100)s has keyboard
grfcc1 at grfbus0: width 640 height 400 monochrome
ite1 at grfcc1: 25x80 repeat at (30/100)s next at (10/100)s
grfcc2 at grfbus0: width 640 height 400 monochrome
ite2 at grfcc2: 25x80 repeat at (30/100)s next at (10/100)s
kbd0 at mainbus0
fdc0 at mainbus0
fd0 at fdc0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
ser0 at mainbus0: modem1 on 68901 MFP1 USART
zs0 at mainbus0: serial2 on channel a and modem2 on channel b
ncrscsi0 at mainbus0
scsibus0 at ncrscsi0 channel 0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target
nvr0 at mainbus0
lp0 at mainbus0
ne0 at mainbus0: EtherNEC on Atari ROM cartridge slot
ne0: NE2000 (RTL8019) Ethernet (8-bit)
ne0: Ethernet address 52:54:4c:09:fb:05
ne0: 10base2, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, auto, default [0x00 0x30] auto
ne0: using 64 Hz polling
avmebus0 at mainbus0
vme0 at avmebus0
leprobe: cannot map memory-area
we0 at vme0 port 0xfe200280-0xfe20029f iomem 0xfe0d0000-0xfe0d3fff irq 4
we0: SMC8216 with SMC_TT VME-ISA bridge Ethernet (16-bit)
we0: Ethernet address 00:00:c0:3f:87:ed
timecounter: Timecounter "clockinterrupt" frequency 64 Hz quality 0
scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
probe(ncrscsi0:0:0:0): Does not support linked commands
sd0 at scsibus0 target 0 lun 0: <Logitec, LHD-U32H/E, 200S> disk fixed
sd0: 30533 MB, 30533 cyl, 16 head, 128 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 62533296 sectors
4 views configured
1 mouse configured
root on sd0a dumps on sd0b
root file system type: ffs
---
Have fun,
---
Izumi Tsutsui
Izumi Tsutsui
2014-03-19 14:54:19 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
Post by Stefan Niestegge
Thanks a lot for your EtherNEC network driver.
I installed over ftp, it works like a charm!
I'm also glad to see users who actually use it on NetBSD :-)
Post by Stefan Niestegge
NetBSD runs a lot better (performnce wise) than debian-68k at the
moment. I do have some issues with pkgsrc / pgk_add i need to sort out,
I'm afraid binaries built on NetBSD/amiga uses X11R6 binaries/libraries
instead of X11R7 ones (atari port has switched to X11R7).
Post by Stefan Niestegge
and i can't get any X11 to run so far.
NetBSD/atari 6.x doesn't ship Xserver binaries, but
1.6.2 Xserver still works on at least my TT030:
https://twitter.com/tsutsuii/status/445967908233953281/photo/1

The following procedure still works
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-atari/2010/03/18/msg000461.html
(I've also upated some files in the archive for NetBSD 6.1.3)
but I'm not familiar with Atari and Falcon hardware.

/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config file have following lines:
---
Section "Screen"
Driver "fbdev"
# Device "Falcon"
Device "TT"
Monitor "Color Video Monitor"
---
so maybe you have to enable "Falcon" line instead?
Post by Stefan Niestegge
is it possible to have colored console?
It looks ite console doesn't support (at least) ANSI color
escape sequence. iteconfig(8) man page has some description
about colors, but I don't know the old ite driver..
http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?iteconfig+.atari+NetBSD-current
Post by Stefan Niestegge
--------------------------
NetBSD 6.1.2 (FALCON)
Atari Falcon (68060 rev.6 CPU/MMU/FPU)
total memory = 524 MB
avail memory = 515 MB
Wow! 68060 with 526MB seems one of the fastest NetBSD/m68k machine ;-)

---
Izumi Tsutsui
Stefan Niestegge
2014-03-19 20:29:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Izumi Tsutsui
Hi,
Post by Stefan Niestegge
Thanks a lot for your EtherNEC network driver.
I installed over ftp, it works like a charm!
I'm also glad to see users who actually use it on NetBSD :-)
Post by Stefan Niestegge
NetBSD runs a lot better (performnce wise) than debian-68k at the
moment. I do have some issues with pkgsrc / pgk_add i need to sort out,
I'm afraid binaries built on NetBSD/amiga uses X11R6 binaries/libraries
instead of X11R7 ones (atari port has switched to X11R7).
Its more like, for example, if i "make" aalib from pkgsrc, its installed
to /usr/pkg/lib/ , while .configure of bb looks in /usr/lib and /usr/local .

Perhaps some tweak of the path variable fixes that - or i use pkgsrc wrong.

pkg_add doesn't find packages unless i modify the config to look for
6.0_2013Q4 instead of 6.1 binary packages.

Maybe installing binary packages made for 6.0 is a very evil thing
for a 6.1 NetBSD, i don't know.

What is better in X11R7 compared to R6, when i can't use it the way
its described in the NetBSD docs?
Post by Izumi Tsutsui
Post by Stefan Niestegge
and i can't get any X11 to run so far.
NetBSD/atari 6.x doesn't ship Xserver binaries, but
https://twitter.com/tsutsuii/status/445967908233953281/photo/1
The following procedure still works
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-atari/2010/03/18/msg000461.html
(I've also upated some files in the archive for NetBSD 6.1.3)
but I'm not familiar with Atari and Falcon hardware.
Thanks, will read and try!
Post by Izumi Tsutsui
---
Section "Screen"
Driver "fbdev"
# Device "Falcon"
Device "TT"
Monitor "Color Video Monitor"
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so maybe you have to enable "Falcon" line instead?
And maybe try something like "VGA Monitor"...
as soon i have an x server binary, i will try.
Post by Izumi Tsutsui
Post by Stefan Niestegge
is it possible to have colored console?
It looks ite console doesn't support (at least) ANSI color
escape sequence. iteconfig(8) man page has some description
about colors, but I don't know the old ite driver..
http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?iteconfig+.atari+NetBSD-current
ah yes, more stuff to read, great!
Post by Izumi Tsutsui
Post by Stefan Niestegge
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NetBSD 6.1.2 (FALCON)
Atari Falcon (68060 rev.6 CPU/MMU/FPU)
total memory = 524 MB
avail memory = 515 MB
Wow! 68060 with 526MB seems one of the fastest NetBSD/m68k machine ;-)
Its even clocked quite high: CPU clock 100MHz, and the TT RAM is SDRAM,
clocked at full CPU speed.

greets,
Stefan
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Izumi Tsutsui
Stefan Niestegge
2014-03-24 11:22:38 UTC
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Post by Izumi Tsutsui
I'm afraid binaries built on NetBSD/amiga uses X11R6 binaries/libraries
instead of X11R7 ones (atari port has switched to X11R7).
Post by Stefan Niestegge
and i can't get any X11 to run so far.
NetBSD/atari 6.x doesn't ship Xserver binaries, but
https://twitter.com/tsutsuii/status/445967908233953281/photo/1
The following procedure still works
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-atari/2010/03/18/msg000461.html
(I've also upated some files in the archive for NetBSD 6.1.3)
but I'm not familiar with Atari and Falcon hardware.
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Section "Screen"
Driver "fbdev"
# Device "Falcon"
Device "TT"
Monitor "Color Video Monitor"
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so maybe you have to enable "Falcon" line instead?
Great, i followed your procedure and i do now get the X server started.
so, now i use the R6 Xserver but R7 fonts, twm, X-apps?

I'd never expected this could work. But it does! Some small hickups,
though, startx fails with some error messages, but when i start X myself

#X && xterm

it works as expected. The keyboard is not changed to "de" layout as
i would expect from the XF86config file. I need some time to fix this.
Hints apreciated!

Greets.
Stefan
Stefan Niestegge
2014-03-25 18:36:05 UTC
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Hi,

i installed fvwm, see linked picture on my dropbox (public link)

http://tinyurl.com/q7zmyjv

Greetings,
Stefan
Izumi Tsutsui
2014-03-26 12:01:47 UTC
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Post by Stefan Niestegge
i installed fvwm, see linked picture on my dropbox (public link)
http://tinyurl.com/q7zmyjv
This is really cool!

xloadimage (pkgsrc/graphics/xli) or xv (pkgsrc/graphics/xv) would
be useful for "self presentation on Atari".
http://twitpic.com/18cf63

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Izumi Tsutsui
2014-03-26 11:47:01 UTC
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Post by Stefan Niestegge
Post by Izumi Tsutsui
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Section "Screen"
Driver "fbdev"
# Device "Falcon"
Device "TT"
Monitor "Color Video Monitor"
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so maybe you have to enable "Falcon" line instead?
Great, i followed your procedure and i do now get the X server started.
Yeah, good to here :-)
Post by Stefan Niestegge
so, now i use the R6 Xserver but R7 fonts, twm, X-apps?
R6 Xserver should work even with R7 environment,
but I notice that NetBSD/alpha 6.1.3 doesn't include
X11R6 files at all so we also have to prepare other R6 files
in xbase.tgz (or xserver.tgz) archives in the past release.
Post by Stefan Niestegge
I'd never expected this could work. But it does! Some small hickups,
though, startx fails with some error messages, but when i start X myself
#X && xterm
it works as expected. The keyboard is not changed to "de" layout as
i would expect from the XF86config file. I need some time to fix this.
Hints apreciated!
The old X11R6 xbase.tgz in 1.6.2 include more necessary files like
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/
for xkb, so extracting these files from the archive
might help:
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# cd /
# ftp http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-archive/NetBSD-1.6.2/atari/binary/sets/xbase.tgz
# tar -zxvpf xbase.tgz ./usr/X11R6/lib/xkb
:
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Izumi Tsutsui
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